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| Rick_nz |
 Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:19 am |
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cheers Lee,
So Do you know if Peter Jack is training in Latigo y Daga system 
Slightly off subject  but,Why im asking Lee,is if Peter is active,that means that is another FMA system here in NZ,That could become involved with the NZCKEAI.  
Ok back on subject. 
So how does everyone train with the whips as in what protective gear do you use (if any  ).  |
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| DiamondBack |
| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:26 pm |
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We tend to not wear protective gear at all.
If you dont respect the weapon - it will turn on you like a Balitok (Snake). |
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| Rick_nz |
| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:01 pm |
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| DiamondBack |
| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:24 pm |
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The way we teach whip - the protective gear is only needed when practicing cutting.
Cutting is esentially for show, and is taught later on.
Just like a stick - there are multiple "Weapons" within one object.
And by the time you are doing Classic Bullwhipping you already have adequate training and a healthy respect for the weapon and its varied uses.
For the same reason we do not use rubber knives - as you do not learn to fear what the weapon can do. Even a wooden daga hurts when it stabs you, or whacks your wrist when slashing. |
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| DiamondBack |
| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:27 pm |
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Also we dont teach any Whip til Blue Belt.
So newbies wont be doing it. |
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| Rick_nz |
| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:37 pm |
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| mike-a |
| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:29 pm |
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When we all got our sjamboks, we got the dvd from cold steel as well. For the most part it's Lynn Thompson (the owner of the company) getting a bit too excited, but there is some very nice Lameco stuff taught by Ron Balicki. It's very much worth a look, I think there's a trailer on the cold steel website (coldsteel.com).
There are another couple of dvds that may be of interest, one on machete fighting (and they have some nice new machetes, like a barong model...) and one on filipino boxing (panantukan). There's preview clips for them too. |
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| lhommedieu |
| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:20 pm |
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Two whips with which I've been practicing lately:
This is an 8' long (11' with fall and popper) kangaroo hide 12 plait made by Australian Stock and Saddle company, Malibu, California. I've been using it to learn Anthony DeLongis' whip method.
This is an 8' long manilla rope whip made in the tradition of Abner Pasa's Warriors Eskrima. It was the generous gift of John Hoey, Warriors Eskrima, Dubin, Ireland. |
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| Damien Alexander |
| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:20 pm |
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Delongis has got good technique and a decent style to learn from.you can't entirely wrong from there.
8 footers are good for show.
I have never used a rope type whip like you have pictured.
If you are looking for one to actually fight with..
what we call a Black Snake is a good one to use.
Or even a signal whip
Something around 4-5 ft is good because of less time to recoil and rechamber and they are better for "rapid fire" techniques.
Some of the stuff from Delongis,transfered to a shorter whip,could do some serious damage.
Just my 2 bits
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| lhommedieu |
| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:41 pm |
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Damien Alexander wrote: Something around 4-5 ft is good because of less time to recoil and rechamber and they are better for "rapid fire" techniques.
Agreed. Someone I know has a "pocket whip" (actually a dog-sled whip) that will coil into a coat pocket and can be used to good effect. Tom Meadows' "latigo y daga" method also uses a shorter whip for fighting applications, and of course there are other corto/medio styles as well.
I'm interested, though, in building whole-body attributes and the longer DeLongis whip works well with his method. It's interesting also that DeLongis and Meadows cross train with each other so I think it's true that what you can learn training with a long whip can transfer over when you start using a shorter one.
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| lhommedieu |
| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:35 am |
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Please see my post on the YouTube thread re. the bull whip. The clip represents my first approximation (i.e., I'm "not quite there yet") of the DeLongis method using minimal external strength. This kangaroo leather whip is 11 feet long including the fall and popper. I have approximately 10 hours of practice time in at this point. Lots to correct here (based on what I see) but I think it's a good start. I'll post another once I've corrected the mistakes in this one. I'll also post a clip using the Filipino rope whip.
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