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| parrot 50 |
 Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:57 pm |
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| my instructor asked me a question.how well do people need to know new people before you teach them knife attacks.is knife training needed today.taking what account the problems with knives today.i say its okay to learn them just for the arts |
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| Pat OMalley |
| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:00 pm |
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That all depends, I actually do seminars for security personel such as Door Supervisors and Police Personel all based on Knife defence and awareness I have also taught a few Martial Arts Groups this system, this is what I call the Rapid Response System
I have also taught Military Personel Knife Fighting Tactics but, if someone I dont know specifically asks to be taught knife I am very apprehensive about teaching them, I personally have to get to know them first before I teach them anything with regards to the Blade.
I do not think knife in any shape or form (even for the sake of the art as you mention) should be taught to just anyone, especially someone you do not know at all.
Knife as an art is still a dangerous thing to teach jus anyone and in the early stages (after they gain your trust) you should stick more to the defensive and awareness techniques in this area.
It is easy to show someone how to gut, slice and kill a person with a knife, any fool can do that and some do show it to almost anyone who is willing to pay the bucks for it, it is another thing to teach people how to gain awareness and deal with such situations if they are thrust upon you (excuse the pun) and deal with them in a way that does NOT end you up in prison for a very long time.
So in short, I feel you need to trust someone before exposing them to the blade and it should be taught in the right context, not just for the art sake and not just to show people just how you can skillfully you can kill someone with a blade after all there are a lot of stupid people out there that will use these skills without thinking.
YBIFMA
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| wayne |
| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:30 pm |
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| Hi, I know i'm a little late for this subject, but, back in 1996 I was shown some valuable techniques in knife defense by a Tai Chi instructor, who only showed me some of what he knew because of my associaton with the academy as a self defense instructor. I went on to teach some of the techniques myself, once my students had spent a minimum of six months regular attendance with me, enough time I believe to judge the students level of respect and integrity. |
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| scotty |
| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:55 pm |
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Hi guys,
I quite agree with the issue of getting to know the person before you teach knife work to them as there are far to many instructors out there who just see this as an open market for cash, rather than the outcome if the person he/she has taught doesn't have the proper respect for the knowledge they have been intrusted with.
After all it doesn't take anyone with brains to stab and maybe kill someone 
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| Pat OMalley |
| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:45 am |
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Reminds me a an incident that happened to some people with a guy who trained in a system that basis 90% of it's training around the knife, they teach it from the get go but they shall remain nameless.
Aparently there was this practitioner of this certain system in a night club and for some reason (reason not given) the Door Supervisors had to escort him from the premisses, now he was being walked out, not physically ejected, but walked out.
So this guy who trains a lot of blade decides it is a good idea to draw his blade and proceed to carve one of the Door Supervisors, the Door Supervisor dies later in hospital.
So you have to ask yourself should this guy have been taught knife ? And what did the instructors do to vet him before letting him loose with such a dangerous weapon ?
Another incident I was witness too was when I visited a club to teach a small workshop for a guy who had done some training with the same group over here in the UK, I turned up to the club and the majority of the students where kids, now the instructor insisted that he show me what he had already learn't, although truthfully I was not really interested in that, more interested in how quickley they could pick up what I had to show. But anyway, he proceeds to try to strut his stuff.
To my surprise he has the whole class kids included (some where as young as 5 and 6 years old) going through this knife sequence, and to my amazement he had them placing their hands over the opponents throat whilst imitating a slash to the throat and they where asked by the instructor what this move was, they all shouted out 'Blood Sheild' and it was explained by the instructor that this was to prevent blood splashes to your eyes as you done the move, they quickly followed this up with a slash to the stomach to which they all shouted 'Blue Worm' indicating that this move would make the opponents guts spew out. By that point I had seen enough, to think this guy was teaching kids of all things such moves and was stating it to be self defence????? Mass bloddy murder I call it. And dam right stupidity on the instructors part.
For me to continue teaching him I insisted that he stops teaching kids any knife at all and that knife is only taught to people that can be trusted.
To make a point to him I insisted that he do to me what he had been taught and what he has been teaching with regards to knife, so I let him try to go through his motions with his blade to which I, well lets say if I had a real blade it would not have been a pretty sight on his part, I was like a mad Greek in a Kebab Shop. And when he asked me for knife at future lessons I would simply say, a bit later, lets get this first.
All blade all the time may sound good in theory but in reality it can make for some serious consequenses.
YBIFMA
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| Pat OMalley |
| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:28 am |
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| DiamondBack |
| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:31 pm |
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At a tournament I was at recently there was a Soft Knife (Knife length padded stick) format for sparring.
People were wearing good head protection yet still someone ended up with a broken cheek bone from an upward thrust.
This is close enough to dead in my book - however there was in my opinion a lack of self control in the attackers manner and method. |
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| Ermehn |
| Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:38 am |
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| Hey if that was me that was an accident' the guy was like a midget! he ducked his head into my forward thrust' i dnt knw who taught him the iron forhead block! but at least he knws it dnt work! my knife was padded and so was his and we both had headgear! and people do get hurt in sparring! as for my manner and method for some of us its better to train hard and to know and teach what works in real life! than to train and find out that what you' been learning oniy worked in training. And as for my self control i stopped when he got hurt rather than keep going! i wasnt there to hurt anyone just to have a play! and i said i was sorry' and im sure the next time' he would be keen to have another play! and im very sure that his standed of sparring would have improved' as like myself theres always room for improvment' and yep i do believe that you must know your student well before you show him any knife work. |
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| Pat OMalley |
| Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:44 am |
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Ermehn wrote: Hey if that was me that was an accident' the guy was like a midget! he ducked his head into my forward thrust' i dnt knw who taught him the iron forhead block! but at least he knws it dnt work! my knife was padded and so was his and we both had headgear! and people do get hurt in sparring! as for my manner and method for some of us its better to train hard and to know and teach what works in real life! than to train and find out that what you' been learning oniy worked in training. And as for my self control i stopped when he got hurt rather than keep going! i wasnt there to hurt anyone just to have a play! and i said i was sorry' and im sure the next time' he would be keen to have another play! and im very sure that his standed of sparring would have improved' as like myself theres always room for improvment' and yep i do believe that you must know your student well before you show him any knife work.   |
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