Rapid Arnis Forum Forum Index
Author Message

<  Rapid Arnis in General  ~  Grade Jump?

tigs
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:51 am Reply with quote
Guest
Hi Guys

How can Andy Jansen, a rapid arnis brown belt with a blue belt in ju-jitsu and no other grades jump to GURO AFFILIATE INSTRUCTOR?

I have read the sticky on grade jumping and the affiliate instructor information and I can't see how this can happen without breaking all the rules.

On a safety note ... will this not be dangerous for his students and how can he have club insurance?

Regards,

Tigs
Rick_nz
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:17 am Reply with quote
Site Admin Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 1167 Location: Levin,New Zealand
Greetings Tigs,
Sorry i am a bit confused on your question Tigs,
You ask how can Andy go from brown belt to GURO AFFILIATE INSTRUCTOR?
As far as i am aware belt ranks like white – yellow -green – blue – brown – black show what grade you are.
so using this equotion to answer your question there is NO grade jumping going on.

Titles like GURO AFFILIATE INSTRUCTOR are exactly that TITLES not grades,some titles are matched with a certain ranking like Tuhan (sp?),
some are awarded by Pat or the head officers of Rapid Arnis International,some are awarded to certain groups as affilated Instructors and not full Rapid Arnis Instructors

so reading your question again,I still cant see a grade jumping going on

Your question regarding on a safety note will this not be dangerous for his students and how can he have club insurance?

I am unsure what your true intentions are here mate,
I believe you are also a Rapid arnis member and your instructor just like Andy is a brown belt with affiliated instructor status,maybe he could answer your question???
I may be reading to much into your questions,
But i have a sense this may end up being a trash talk againts Andy for whatever reasons you have.
But I suggest if you or anyone else have issues with Andys rank either discuss it with Andy personaly or contact Pat O'Malley.

*puts my admin hat on*
DO NOT use this forum as a ANDY bashing forum,If you have issues with Andy then contact him personaly and resolve your concerns

*puts my Rapid arnis affilliated instructor hat on*
Brother sounds like you have issues With Andy,posting like this on a public forum is not the way true Rapid Arnis members resolve there issues,We are one big family if we have issues we sort it out inhouse and move on.we dont use a public forum for issues againts family or anybody for that fact

*puts my average joe hat back on*
Well Tigs hopefully i have answered your original question,if not hopefully Pat will be able to answer your question.
If i have read to much into your post then i apoligise.

Cheers

Riki

_________________
YBIFMA

"Riki the PR Man"

“We have but one life and I intend to enjoy mine”.
naka headbang naka
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
tigs
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:42 am Reply with quote
Guest
Hi Rick

I only wear one hat.

The question is irrelevant to any issues that I may or not have. If I decide to take issue with someone - they will know...

Guro=instructor, right?

You can become one by either grading in rapid arnis in front of the dan board to black belt or by becoming affiliated as a black belt from another style.

For the case in point - Andy Jansen - he has no black belts from any other style so how can he be a guro affiliate instructor unless some kind of grade jumping has taken place?

Please answer the question rather than infer I am asking it for anything other than professional reasons...

Mark Southwold
Janno
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:15 am Reply with quote
Student Joined: 21 Mar 2007 Posts: 27 Location: London
Hi Mark,

I figured it wouldn't be long before you turned up here. Guess you must've gotten lonely trying to discredit me elsewhere?

To answer your question though:

As i see it, being an instructor is a profession, and a black belt is an award. I have been hired (through people coming to me, not the other way around) to give combative instruction to groups and individuals for the last 2 years. I have insurance as a Rapid Arnis instructor, insuring my students for up to £2m, and Pat has recognised me as having satisfactory technical knowledge to represent his system publicly.

I haven't yet achieved my black belt, that much is true, and i am training like a maniac so that when my black belt test comes, i will make my teachers proud as hell. If/when i am awarded it, i will know that i am ready to accept it. That is what makes it a true accolade - a symbol of hard work and dedication. Not a license to print money, as some would think.

My technical knowledge is of sound quality.

My ability to communicate this knowledge to others is also sound.

I believe thoroughly in what i do, and the way i do it. As do my peers and my students.

Perhaps to some people though, i am not qualified to be called an instructor without a blackbelt around my waist. Equally, i don't think somebody should receive the title of instructor because of a blackbelt they got when they were 15 years old. Guess it's just one of those things though... Rolling Eyes




On a personal level though Mark, i don't know what your problem is with me. First you tried to extort money from me, then you abused the Rapid Arnis name with your little hate campaign, and now you're on this discussion board effectively trying to accuse the chief instructor of corruption (from the relative safety of your keyboard, i might add). All to try and shoot me down before i've even started in my new role! For Christ's sake man - i don't even know you!

If it's because of Damien, you must understand that Damien's misfortune has been because of professional reasons, and despite what you may think, it isn't down to anyone meddling in his personal affairs. I've always respected him as an instructor, even after leaving his class to continue my training with more knowledgeable sources. However, that is a decision that was made for purely professional reasons, and has nothing to do with you or anyone else. So too was Mike's decision to ask him to step down as the resident instructor for the SOAS Kali Society.

Damien's old enough to fight his own battles and settle his own differences with people. By attacking me with this little vendetta of yours in public, you dishonour your teacher's name, as well as your own.

Andrew Janson
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
tigs
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:59 pm Reply with quote
Guest
Thanks for your candid answer Andy, abeit somewhat speckled with wild accusation and conjecture.

Taking the answer to my question out of your post: your status as "guro" and affiliate instructor are on Pat's say so alone and not any formal training or assessment of your ability to teach.

Thank you.



On a personal note - I feel I must add that I have never tried to extort money from you or anyone else; nether have I abused the Rapid Arnis name; nor have I begun a vendetta against you. I find those accusations offensive and urge you to be more careful how you describe my actions or motivtions, especially as you claim not to even know me.
Rick_nz
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:54 pm Reply with quote
Site Admin Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 1167 Location: Levin,New Zealand
tigs wrote:
Thanks for your candid answer Andy.


tigs wrote:
Taking the answer to my question out of your post: your status as "guro" and affiliate instructor are on Pat's say so alone and not any formal training or assessment of your ability to teach.

Thank you..


Awesome you have an answer now Tigs,that you are happy with. Very Happy

tigs wrote:
Please answer the question rather than infer I am asking it for anything other than professional reasons....
.

I think i did answer your question mate,and i think Andy has now closed that question with the above remarks from you thumbright

As i said in my first post Tigs if i have read to much into your original post then i apoligise Smile

_________________
YBIFMA

"Riki the PR Man"

“We have but one life and I intend to enjoy mine”.
naka headbang naka
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
Rick_nz
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:15 pm Reply with quote
Site Admin Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 1167 Location: Levin,New Zealand
We are having clitches in the system,some people like Pat are unable to post,so he has sent me this to post on behalf of him.
Pat OMalley wrote:
Hi Riki, can you post this reply to Tig's post.

Hi Tig's good to see you are continuing to be somewhat of an ****. And remember you went public and tried to make out that I am corrupt. Tsk Tsk Tsk.

First you threaten to link the old Rapid Arnis London web site to other sites, then you start adding up slanderous remarks and trying to back this up with old youtube footage, all because your instructor decided to leave Rapid Arnis??? who is junior instructor by the way not a full instructor.

Now I talked to Damien when he decided to leave and I had no objection to it as he said he wanted to try other FMA styles, now bear in mind I not only support that, I whole heartedly encourage people to look at other styles and if they prefer them then they go with my blessing. But in the first conversation with Damien said he was going inacctive because he had no students, then I see the RA London website states otherwise, it was only after I pointed out to Damien that I dont like being lied to that he then said he wanted to try other systems, Oh and that Rapid Arnis was too hard??? He also told other people that he was loosing students because Rapid Arnis was too hard???

Is it? Well if it is then that is not a bad thing eh?

Now we have this latest little escapade, Now I dont take kindly to former students badmouthing me behind my back and yes I mean Damien, especially to other senior FMA practioners to which beleive it or not I talk to and have done in quite detail regarding what has been said. And others trying to start a hate campaign against one of my senior student or instructor members. I will back my members against any bad remarks made against them, of that you can be very assured.

Then one of his students, i.e. YOU try to question my decision to put in place a very compitent individual to take over the Rapid Arnis London name, which by the way belongs to me and is my legal copyright, so you have no right to sell it legally without my permission, I gave Damien permission to use the name Rapid Arnis London, and it is my right to take it away and give it to anyone I choose too. It is not up for auction as I am not selling it.

Unbenown to you or others for that matter, Andy has been ready to teach for some time and has been teaching individuals for some time, I actually prevented him from opening a club sooner in London as I did not want to step on Damien's toes, DAMIEN HAS GONE, HE HAS LEFT, CEASED TO BE, IS NO MORE A MEMBER OF RAPID ARNIS so I no longer have to hold Andy back and let him do what he does best, TEACH. If you went to one of his classes, you may be surprised and you might learn something?

If I appoint someone as an affiliate instructor then that is my perogative to do so and quite frankly none of your dam business, also the title Guro simply mean's teacher and as Andy is teaching on my behalf then he is for all intense and purposes a Guro. He has the full backing of ALL the Cheif Instructors, you can take it up with us all personally if you like?

Yes your right, Andy is not a black belt in Rapid Arnis yet, and neither are you and I guess you never will be, but I am sure in due course and with enough hard work Andy will be and quite honestly I have seen him in action on more than one occasion and his techniqual ability is more than adequate. Also to point out, Andy is being closely supervised, advised, trained and helped when he teaches by one of my most senior instructors Louis Beale, now are you now going to question his rank and mine too.

Now Damien did ask me at the last camp, after I refused to let him try for full instructor before completing Junior Instructor, why I make people wait a year between the two grades, well actually they are not two grades, they are one in the same grade, part one is Junior, part two is full Instructor, the year gap is a probationary period and the reason it is done like this is to see if part one goes to anyones head and they become an **** and if they do they dont get to do part two and become a REAL Full Instructor in Rapid Arnis. After recent events it shows it works would'nt you say.

No one grade jumps once they reach fighter level Rapid Arnis unless agreed by the executive board that is something I can assure you, even though individuals have asked me to do this, Damien for one asked if he could go striaght for Full Instructor and skip Junior Instructor. No one is allowed to grade jump especially at that level.

And to point out and lets make this perfectly clear, Andy has far far more expeariance of both Rapid Arnis and Doce Pares than Damien ever did when he first started teaching RAPID ARNIS, so really why the sour grapes surely he is off to a far better start.

If you have a problem with the way I run my organisation and the support I give to my existing members then you have 2 chioces dont you.

1. Train elsewhere and never speak of us again and we wont speak of you.

2. Take it up with me personally, after all you know where I live and you have my number.

Your decision.

_________________
YBIFMA

"Riki the PR Man"

“We have but one life and I intend to enjoy mine”.
naka headbang naka
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
Rick_nz
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:28 pm Reply with quote
Site Admin Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 1167 Location: Levin,New Zealand
Pat OMalley wrote:
Also the reason I insiste of seeing a blackbelt first from most of the affiliates is quite simple, I need to know they have the ability to teach and have a regular class before taking tham on as representatives for Rapid Arnis using our name and teaching our style.

Now if I have someone within the group I know well I can skip all that simply because I know them, I know their ability and I know that they can teach.

For instance, here is a list of people who taught Rapid Arnis before reaching black belt in anything.

Jude Tucker - Assisatan Cheif Instructor Kapatiran Arnis
And the first person to reach full instructor in Rapid Arnis

Shamin Haqua - Cheif Instructor for Kalis Ilustrisimo in UK and Ireland
He was the first person to reach Junior Instructor.

Louis Beale was actively teaching classes at the Rapid Arnis London (note the name of the group) HQ whilst he was brown belt

Lucy O'Malley was blue belt when she was already assisting and teaching at international seminars.

All where lower or the same rank as Andy

Think on it

_________________
YBIFMA

"Riki the PR Man"

“We have but one life and I intend to enjoy mine”.
naka headbang naka
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
Rick_nz
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:21 pm Reply with quote
Site Admin Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 1167 Location: Levin,New Zealand
scotty wrote:
Hi Rick , Could you please post this up for me

Hi Guys,
Thought i'd just get my say on this, JUST because someone has a black belt ( which you could buy from any sport store) doesn't mean they are capable of teaching!.

Andy's job is teaching so I think that quallifies him on that aspect.

As for belts I know of some styles that the chief instructor wears a white belt and others that have no belt but wear T-shirts instead ( so I take it they are not true teachers either? B*****ks.).

This thing about grade jumping well the way I see it grades are only there to put a bit of preassure onto the individual at a certain time to test knowledge ability not if you know how to portray this factor as no 2 teachers are the same.

If the Head of an organization wants to give permition for 1 of his students to teach then that is upto him and his senior board not someone who has'nt got a clue !! i.e. you!

Many instructors start teaching from an early grade, I have yellow belts partnered up with people with no grade as this gets the yellow grade involved in helping out plus the person with no grade relaxes more not being stuck with the instructor, so I take it I can't teach eitherand this has got to be wrong surely>

If so then let me know
Scotty

_________________
YBIFMA

"Riki the PR Man"

“We have but one life and I intend to enjoy mine”.
naka headbang naka
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
Rick_nz
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:24 pm Reply with quote
Site Admin Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 1167 Location: Levin,New Zealand
Ok People..

I think everyone has answered Tiggs question..
I feel if anything else needs to be said on this issue,Tiggs and friends need to contact the person themselves.
I have now LOCKED this thread.

Regards

Riki

_________________
YBIFMA

"Riki the PR Man"

“We have but one life and I intend to enjoy mine”.
naka headbang naka
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger

Display posts from previous:  

All times are GMT - 5 Hours
      
Page 1 of 1
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

Jump to: