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| jonbroster |
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:02 am |
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Hi,
I have read with some sadness recently the various posts and texts regarding the departures of a small number of people from the brotherhood of Rapid Arnis. I had always hoped that we would manage to stay clear of this sort of nonsense.
It is indeed a sad fact that many traditional martial arts are riven with internal disputes, with only the MMA community fully managing to stay away from this (they can after all prove who is the better - in the Octagon). I had always assumed that our lack of a hierarchical system was something of a strength, giving us freedom of choice, rather than a dictatorship. It seems to me that the only real requirements of membership in Rapid Arnis are:
1 hard work
2 fighting spirit
3 open mindedness
4 honesty
I have trained with Pat since 1993. (I only started doing so because a Rugby League injury (ruptured ACL) was preventing me from walking properly, and thereby kicking etc in the kung fu style is was following.)
In the last 15 years I have made it my business to train with a lot of FMA people, especially some of the people who had been formative influences on Pat - Mike Inay, Bill McGrath, Remy Presas.
The training I have received in RA has stood me in very good stead for training with these and many other masters.
Sometimes students ask me about my teachers and I reply in all honesty that I believe Pat to be one of the best people in Europe - in fact there is only 1 person I would put on the same level (Emmanuel Hart of Inayan Eskrima - currently resident in France).
On a worldwide level, there are very few Westerners who come close to Pat for depth and breadth of knowledge and openness with that knowledge. My other teacher - Mark Wiley - is the obvious example, but let it be clear, the only reason I am Mark's representative in Britain is a result of the prior training I had received in RA from Pat.
Please let there be an end to any in-fighting.
If you want to leave, do so..... but quietly.
Jon |
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| Rick_nz |
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:16 pm |
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Pat OMalley wrote: RAPID ARNIS IS NOT FOR EVERYONE, WE KNOW THAT SO NO NEED TO BITCH ABOUT IT.
Unfortunetly it would seem that there are those who would much prefer
1 An Easy Ride and grades just handed to them regardless
2 A weak spirit
3 Closed mindedness
4 Dishonesty
5 A dictatorship
If that is what they want I can easily point them in the right direction. But there not getting it here, but I also remind them, don’t mistake kindness for weakness, pick a fight with a Rapid Arnis man and it is a fight you will get in more ways than one.
Now when people ask me if they can try other styles or even show the slightest interest in seeing other styles, not only do I say you should not even have to ask, I whole heartedly encourage it and support it. Jon is a fine example of my outlook to training in the FMA, not only is he a most senior and well respected Master within Rapid Arnis Organisation, he is a senior in other FMA styles too and he has actively sought out Masters and Grandmasters of the best calibre to gain knowledge from. And Jon (as do 99.9% of the Rapid Arnis members) knows all too well, everyone in Rapid Arnis is treated equally regardless of rank, it is simply some have practiced more than others and therefore know just a little bit more at this moment in time, but who knows one day the roles may well be reversed and that includes me.
Another example of the Rapid Arnis attitude is PG Shamin Haque, he was my most senior student back in the early 90’s, he was introduced to the Ilustrisimo system in Manila, when he came back home he asked my permission to go train with them, I said my permission is not required, but all the same he wanted it and he was still training within the Rapid Arnis System during his early years with the Ilustrisimo group. One day he said to me he would much prefer to teach and promote the Kalis Ilustrisimo system and I was proud of the fact that he finally found what he had been looking for and if it was not with us then so be it. I told him that if he felt that this system was the best for him then he should go with my blessing, he is now the most senior member of that group in Britain and Ireland and still he tells everyone where it started and he is proud of the fact that he started with Rapid Arnis and it was Rapid Arnis that helped him to get where he is now.
No bitching, no bad mouthing, just a passion for an FMA system that suited him.
There is a small minority out there in all walks of life that unfortunetly always try to blame others for their own failings, short comings, lack of commitment or what every you want to call it and will not admit to themselves that it is only themselves that get them where they are and nothing more. They will come up with any excuse that places the blame of their failings on anyone or anything else but themselves and I believe that this is what has happened here.
Especially when I hear, “I am losing students or everyone is leaving because Rapid Arnis is too hard blah, blah, winge, moan, bitch” No the truth is, people lose students because they themselves are at fault, not the style, the person. It is not that it is too hard for everyone it is simply that they are not willing to work hard enough themselves and that is the truth and unfortuently I cant help them, they can only help themselves.
It is sad to see someone leave Rapid Arnis in this manner, not sad for me, sad for their own piece of mind, their own self respect as they have their own conciance to deal with, not me or anyone else for that matter.
But if they leave for the right reasons and they feel they will benefit elsewhere and are honest about it, then they go with my blessing and help if it is required.
We may not be the biggest organisation and style in the world, but our reputation is solid and that is all that counts. And according to some, we are the hardest, now they say that like it’s a bad thing? If they feel Rapid Arnis is too hard then please keep telling people that, what a great piece of publicity that is for us. I wish I would have thought of using that bit of PR but it sounds so much better coming from those people who don’t want to admit they are unwilling to put in the hard-work therefore yes it is too hard for them or they could try working harder and they may be surprised just how easy it is eh!
Big wake-up call here boys and girls, we teach Filipino Martial Arts you know that art that is used to fight people with a whole multitude of weapons. If it is twirling and dancing and an easy time you want then yes, your in the wrong place and you need to enrol in the local majorettes class not Rapid Arnis or any of the proper martial arts for that matter.
Now if someone leaves because they want to but feels the need to bitch about it, then that is sad, sad for them and not for us because to be honest I am glad to see the back of them as I cannot abide dishonest time-waisters who are only in it to collect the badge or the belt or the rank or some other kind of kudos and are disappointed when it does not come easy. It would seem that these people are the “Everyone wants to be a Chief and no one want to be an Indian” type of people but they are unwilling to earn their feathers but simply expect them to be handed to them, now that’s sad.
If they want a badge to wear or a black belt to put round their waiste or even feathers to put in their hair then go to Blitz, they sell all kinds of stuff like that and you can easily print off your own certificate calling yourself the Grand Poo Baa if you like, if that brushes up your ego then I am happy for you. But simply put, if you want kudos, respect, rank, badges, feathers or anything else in Rapid Arnis then you got earn it and follow these simple rules.
Work Hard, have fighting spirit, keep an open mind and most importantly of all, be honest, for if your not you will only be fooling yourself because you wont fool us for long, we will catch you out in the end and you will either leave on your own accord or we will ask you to leave as we much prefer people who are hard working, have fighting spirit with an open Mind and are honest. If you do not have these qualities then you are in the wrong place.
And when you do leave, have a little dignity and self respect, as Jon said, Leave quietly and that way you will gain more respect from everyone instead of losing it.
Best regards
Pat |
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| Janno |
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:23 am |
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Rapid Arnis is unique in that although it has a great deal of heritage behind it, there is no "traditional" template to how the system is taught.
As a student, i am frequently encouraged to cross-train with other styles and systems, and the individual approach that i have adopted (ie. approaching the system with combative applications in mind) has been supported by my teachers.
Interestingly, i find that Rapid Arnis is a fantastic organisation to be a part of if you have a lot of drive and hunger for knowledge. However, i can see why people who lack direction and the mental toughness to work hard for what they want end up falling by the wayside and becoming disillusioned with it.
I have been a part of several traditional groups, and they train discipline and focus to be a part of their students' natural character - almost forcefeeding it to them. Dojo etiquette, uniforms, and the techniques available to the students are all enforced rigidly.
Rapid Arnis instructors, from what i have experienced, do away with this formality (training wheels, if you will) in favour of educating their students, and encouraging them to take an active interest in their own education. In other words, the students are welcome to take their training as far as they want to take it, in whichever direction they see fit.
I have received a great deal of support from the instructors in RA throughout my membership with them. Regardless of what rank or standing i occupied, i always felt as though all doors were open to me. If i felt there was a gap in my knowledge, all i had to do was ask, and i would receive the relevant knowledge.
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To students who remember their humility when communicating with their peers and train in their art with a keen dedication, Rapid Arnis represents a terrific opportunity. For students who delude themselves about their skill in search of higher status, and frequently forget their manners in favour of starting politics, a career in Rapid Arnis is an empty pursuit. |
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| jonbroster |
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:01 am |
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Please can we all refrain from making negative comments about others; even if you avoid using their names.
We should all be working toward positive goals, not looking down on others or running people down.
There were a couple of comments in the above posting that could clearly be associated with particular individuals, so I cut them out.
Remember, in general "what goes around comes around" or "your sins will find you out". Sooner or later people get some form of karmic payback.
This thread is called "Why Rapid Arnis", ie what is good about it; (it is not called "Tell me about all the people who have left / should leave RA & why!")
Move on please.
Thanks
Jon |
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| Janno |
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:56 am |
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Sorry Jon - i just wanted to emphasise that there are certain character traits that can really destroy a promising career in an organisation, and it's a good lesson in what NOT to do. I apologise if i was a bit too specific in my examples.
One thing that really changed for me when Pat took me under his wing as a student was realising how little i actually knew. As a brown belt, i thought i knew the syllabus. In fact, on paper, i DID know the syllabus - you could have picked anything on there and i would've been able to show you the necessary drill or application of that technique. What Pat showed me was that we could revisit virtually any basic technique, and adapt it to suit virtually any advanced need. The technique having "a style all of its own" if you will
Whilst my technical knowledge had progressed sufficiently to pass my gradings and cope with other students, my mindset had not been cultivated alongside it. After my experience with Pat, my mindset went from basic to advanced, and the techniques i used went from complex to simple. Christ, some of them didn't even have names!
Studying the RA syllabus in isolation is, in my opinion, worthless. Thus i believe there is a huge responsibility on the RA instructor to develop their own knowledge, and keep developing, applying, and communicating that knowledge if they are to keep their teachings relevant to their students' needs - as well as their own. In my journey, i've also come across many systems that are comfortable in relying on image, precedent, or a complex syllabus to give themselves longevity (hell, i've even trained/crosstrained in a few and enjoyed it!), thus taking that responsibility away from the instructor and putting it on the system or organisation that the instructor belongs to (which isn't necessarily a bad thing!).
Though i enjoy the support that RA gives me, i also believe it is vitally important for an instructor to take full responsibility for their knowledge and their delivery of it. Which is why, with regards my membership of an organisation, i believe that RA gives me the mindset and backing i need for future success both as a student, and an instructor :) |
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