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What format do you prefer?
| WEKAF STYLE |
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20% |
| PADDED STICK |
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53% |
| BLACK EAGLE / DBMA |
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13% |
| OLD SCHOOL |
[ 0 ] |
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0% |
| ALL OF THE ABOVE |
[ 2 ] |
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13% |
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| Pat OMalley |
 Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:07 am |
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OK Folks there are many forms of sparring out there, and all have their good points and bad points. So lets find out what format you prefer and why.
Do you prefer the WEKAF style (Full Armour, live Stick)
The Arnis Alliance Style (Padded Stick, continious sparring)
The Black Eagel / DBMA Styles (Limited Armour, live stick, all out sparring)
Old School (No Armour, no rules)
Before answering only choose something you actually do, not something you think you should do. e.g. Don't say 'Old School' if you have never done it.
Best regards
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| Lucy O'Malley |
| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:55 am |
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I have chose padded stick, because it hurts enough to gain a real reaction from you and because of this people to not stand toe to toe stickbashing.
You have to defend and counter as you would Black Eagle style as it still bloody hurts. You just do not get so many cuts, mainly bruises because the stick covers a slightly bigger area on impact.
I prefer it because you can fight for longer and you can fight the following day too (most of the time). So you effectively can learn more from your experiences as you have more frequent bouts. And it is great for spectators to watch too.
Black Eagle is no rules and includes kicking, punching, throwing, elbows, knees etc.... so is a far better experience and you do really find out what works and what doesn't in reality, but you can't have bout after bout, so you tend to learn over intervals. And as you are using a heavy rattan stick it takes some time to recover after.
I find it harder to recover when you have two small kids demanding your attention who need picking up all the time and things like a hit to the elbow can really hinder me for weeks, so I tend not to do so many now as I used to and do not enjoy them as much becuse of the occasional bad injuries after. Before kids I could lay in bed for a day and rest and treat any injuries for a few days and be back to normal within the week. Now it takes several weeks for injuries to heal as I have to keep on the go all the time not giving my body any time to rest.
I used to really enjoy WEKAF and I probably found my fighting style by competing in WEKAF but these days most people completely ignore the fact you are hitting them and refuse to evade and tend to block virtually nothing, so it becomes a who can hit the fastest contest.
It has lost it's appeal to me now, but I still see it as a good workout and opportunity to try new things without getting hurt. A bit like training on a bag just with a moving target. It still has some advantages, especially when first starting out.
Old School......depends on the result ruling....to death...only if I really had to for my family or something (I would rather buy the guy a pint of beer and try to settle any differences ), but as a challenge match to first blood or knockout or tapout or something, I would not refuse a challenge but I do not think it would be something I would do on a regular day to day basis for a training session.
What are the usual rulings for results in the old school matches? Am I right that they are only called death matches because someone could die? (accidently on purpose  )
Padded stick is enjoyable, it is great to watch, you learn loads from it still and it even hurts, so definately my favourite at the moment but things change with your circumstances, so ask me again in a year or two and I might be back to fighting Black Eagle more often or I might say a pillow fight is as far as I am willing to go....who knows.
Lots of love 
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| Peter Bradbury |
| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:12 am |
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Personally i still prefer WEKAF, when fighting against other people who know how to fight it properly. My reason for prefering WEKAF might still be those European and World fighting titles i havent managed to win yet, despite everyone telling me i would.
Although i havent done much with padded stick or black eagle yet, the little bit of these i have done i have enjoyed and hope to do much more in the future 
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| Pat OMalley |
| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:27 pm |
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Some people are voting here and not mentioning why they prefer the format they have chosen, come on folks let us know why?
After all it is a discussion forum.
Best regards
Pat |
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| ludo bachy |
| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:06 pm |
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hello tuhon and all others,
Us one works like this
we faissons our sparring for the debutants with foam stick and helmet of fencing
those which want by after engagements harder then we let us faissons styles DBMA
but on the other hand with the armours styles wekaf to test not yet but personally its says to me well a day to test
gumagalang
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| edges |
| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:46 pm |
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Definatly the padded stick! It's only recently the thought of using armour crossed our minds!
For so long Paul and I sparred with sticks covered in pipe insulation foam and masking tape, when we went to full armour WEKAF style it was like a complete removal from reality.
We now have the official padded sticks, they are much better. Looking forward to getting over to the Black Eagle though, that'll be an eye opener (literally!?)
As for old school, nobody has put forward a challenge as yet, long may that continue |
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| oosh |
| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:54 pm |
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| I'd say Padded stick, though I have never tried the WEKAF format. I like controlled sparring with light rattan, speed but without the power etc. |
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| Dazzbunny |
| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:27 am |
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Speaking as a beginner, I voted fror padded stick because it feels really good, proper satisfaction from catching your opponent, etc. I've done WEKAF style, and will again, but for novices, it seems to deteriorate into the mad smackfest, without caring about blocking and dodging.
Sorry if this basically repeats what Lucy said..
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| mike-a |
| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:57 pm |
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We tend to use live sticks and gloves for "hand target" sparring (and a mask if you think your partner's accuracy is a bit naff!). For "full" sparring we use masks, gloves, a box and padded sticks (smak sticks at the mo, until I get some of Lucy's ones).
As mentioned above the pain stops the toe-to-toe thing and encourages footwork. We also have elbows/knees/headbuts/punches on occasion, but we can't do too much grappling as we have a concrete floor and everyone likes their backs in one piece! |
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| Rick_nz |
| Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:26 am |
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For sparring with the beginers ,I start them of with what i call tai-chi type sparing with live stick no armour,this is where everthing is done real slowly,once students have got the basic blocks ,abecedarios ectetc and there confidence builds,they build up speed,emphasis is on flow,speed & timming with footwork.
Then I work on wekaf gloves with live stick ,contact to gloves only,then add in the helmet,then add in the body armour.So the main sparring format is wekaf format.
Im waiting to get a chance to go up to Auckland and have a play and watch the smak-stix in action.As I have been told (from Mike A)this is a good format to play with.
So for the poll i ticked wekaf style
Cheers
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| mike-a |
| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:16 pm |
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Hiya Rick!
We're trying to record some sparring footage, so I'll wizz some down, at some point, when I'm organised. (And you know how long that'll take...)
We should all get a chance to play some ARPI style padded stick when a certain Mr O'Malley and friends arrive in December. It'll be nice to get a pasting from some different folks . |
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| Pat OMalley |
| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:40 pm |
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| Rick_nz |
| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:33 pm |
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Hey there Mike,
Lol sweet az mate, I will look forward to the footage, Good to see u keeping your training blog updated, one of my guys is reading it now .
Yes I’m sure there will be ARPI style padded stick sparring when the O’Malley clan arrives here. Which will be good for everyone participating, but will really sux for those in the spectators seats (ME!! ),
One of my boys is thinking of coming up to the seminar, so at least someone from the club will get to physically play in that format lol.
Cheers
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| mike-a |
| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:20 am |
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I'm not liking the looks of Pat's response that much 
Rick, I may have some other big seminar news for the early new year (or two actually, but one is more likely than the other).
I'll let you know who when it's confirmed. |
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| Rick_nz |
| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:26 pm |
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mike-a wrote: I'm not liking the looks of Pat's response that much .
I am starting to feel the pain for ya now
mike-a wrote: Rick, I may have some other big seminar news for the early new year (or two actually, but one is more likely than the other).
I'll let you know who when it's confirmed.
Yeah bud,i will keep an eye on your blog or here. |
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