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| mike-a |
 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:41 am |
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Back in the day, I learnt the first 6 armarra (pardon any spelling errors) from Peter Cullen at the Auckland Diamondback group.
The other day I came by a video of some Warriors Eskrima material, and, lo and behold, 10 amarra drils were shown, the first 6 of which were identical to what I learned over a decade ago.
The historian in me asks the following question: Where did the amarra come from?
I know there was some interplay between GM Greg Henderson and the Warriors folks, but I also know that GM Abner Pasa learnt Doce Pares (I think from GM Yoling Canete), and this is also the source of much of GM Greg's material..
Are the amarra from Doce Pares or from Warriors Eskrima (or did GM Greg develop them and Warriors system adopt them?)
Again, just the history buff in me wants to know... |
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| DiamondBack |
| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:52 pm |
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Mike , remember that each of the instructors ( and thier training partner) that formed Doce Pares pretty much had thier OWN style they practiced - however there was a lot of cross-pollination of ideas and concepts.
My understanding as to how Greg got it was from Abner Pasa's Warriors System which I believe is in turn passed down from Eulogio 'Yoling' Canete. Celia Manganas (sp?) and Danny Guba were the Filipino representitives of Warriors here in NZ, so Sailor &/or Grant may be able to fill out some Details. Abner went on to form his own personal synthesis of styles called Balitok.
Mike , did the 10th count have a lot of CinqoCinqo in it (i.e. Slashing backwards along the initial line of attack).
Amarra is a very old COMBAT KATA or FIGHTING KATA, that is it is designed to be used as is, not like Karate/KungFu Kata that need some interpretation (Bunkai). |
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| mike-a |
| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:51 pm |
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Hi Lee,
The 10th one had a *lot* of techniques in it, way more than any previous amarra in the series. I'm pretty sure there was the slashing you mention.
Interestingly enough, there were 3 flow drills in the video, the first of which was a thrusting sumbrada-type drill called sinko-sinko. The other two were what looked like groups from Balintawak. |
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| DiamondBack |
| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:19 pm |
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Was the thrusting drill 'Sticky Stick' ??
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A: Thrust to SP
B: Reverse Cane Parry, thrust to Face
A: Unbrella Block.
And yes Ammarra #10 has a few techniques in it. (Ours has 1 |
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| DiamondBack |
| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:21 pm |
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| Our Ammarra has 18 techniques - I didn't put the smiley face rhere . |
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| Native NZ |
| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:04 am |
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Hi Lee and Mike
I have only just for the first time had a look on this post  and I see what it is that you guys are discussing. I may be too late to reply but I thought I would comment on this 'amarra' drill for my own understanding.
I am not too familiar with the terminology of some techniques I was taught by Danny and Greg but your description Lee of 'sticky sticks' is what I have just known as 'thrusting single stick heaven, earth'. There were plenty drills that were very similar to this. Punya and punya sambrada to me were flow drills that are similar but 'amarra' taught from Danny appears to only consist of fly wheels, sidewinders, headshots and witiks inclusive with the heavy strikes and uppercuts. Thrusts were not used too extensively and when you both speak in terms of numbers, I assume you both are speaking about the revolution of hits in an amarra drill. Unfortunately, if I was to count what it is that I do, I guess my count may be too unrealistic. All I got from the both G.M's was, "do this".
The 'amarra' I am guessing I was taught is used as flurries to blitz your opponent and are very practical and easy in terms of application.  Its a setup really to pave the way for the heavier shots.  So I say..... Something in the balisong Danny taught me also is similar to the flurries.
Historically speaking Mike, I can not help you there. Between Danny and Greg, I can not differentiate what is what but I got it from both angles.  Emphasis was mainly based around technical application and not too much in Pino terms.
I am not too sure about Danny's involvement with Celia and the warriors system as Danny left New Zealand after the first national stickfighting champs held in Ch-ch but Greg had moved to Ch-ch and if I remember right, he did catch up with Celia and the warriors club.
I know this probably does not answer your question for the history part Mike but I guess I am just trying to understand the term. If you were to show me amarra, I would most certainly be able to know exactly where it is in this system I teach. So whatever it is that I have talked about, I hope I am not too far off track.
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| DiamondBack |
| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:19 pm |
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Sailor, Some clarification of Ammarra.
These are generally drills for the Arm (Arm Exercises) and attempt to build in combos to a fighting system i.e. to make sets of 2-5 strikes quick & fluid. |
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| Grant Boath |
| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:59 am |
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stick twirling or Amarra is the art of wielding and maneuvering the olsi in a series of circular strikes at various angles and in various planes , most of which comprise figure eights and circular patterns . now known generally as
Patuyok, the techniques are not only a beautiful art form but are essential as training for developing speed , power and wrist flexibility. |
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| Native NZ |
| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:14 am |
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Gotcha! Thank you both.
I guess I have slightly different terms as to the word 'amarra'. Your clarification Leigh and your description of application Grant, made me realise what it was straight away. Just a quick question if I may Grant/Lee. Patuyok/Circulo/Arko?? Same thing? ('cuse the spelling).
However guys, thanks again for reminding me. Shame!! Lol! |
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| DiamondBack |
| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:15 pm |
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Having just got back from the OMalley Seminar there is another point to make.
The Rapid Arnis (& others) have Armara Isa (Armara 1), 2,3 etc,
with each Armara at the start emphasising certain attributes e.g.
Slashing, Arkos, Hook Stepping etc.
I dont recognise any of those terms at the end of your post Sailor except Arko, this is just one type
of strike then strike along the same line again (doblette rapillion - double propeller) as are redondo, eagle wing, twirl up/down.
Sorry to see you couldnt make it to the Seminar it was awesome to see all those eskrima players in one place - it makes me warm & fuzzy) |
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| Grant Boath |
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:10 am |
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hey sailor
Heres a quick run down as i was taught on what you were asking in your last post
Patuyok is basically another term for Amarra that is stick twirling.
Arko in its original form has four basic striking movements in the circular patterns ( forehand , reverse, backhand and upwards),and the Bartikle redoble, also known as double figure eight which consists of five striking movements
Circular is basically the first striking movement of the Arko both fore hand and backhand which forms the basic Arko
hope this is as clear as mud for you ,
But others may have a different interpretation of this ,but this is what i was taught from Diony Canete |
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| Native NZ |
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:32 am |
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Hey listen you guys.
I appreciate the prompt response to the question posed and yes Grant, 'clear as mud'! This is all really my own fault but not through ignorance that the terms that I have known them by is not correct and I guess I was only trying to recognise the proper terms used in the traditional sense for the applications of techniques that I've been teaching. I do now recall Greg emphasising the circulo at the start of the arko striking movement so thank you Grant.
You are very fortunate to have attended the seminar run by Pat O'Malley Lee but because of my bizzo as Security director, it was difficult to be there however, for any future visits from the R.A team I hope to make myself available. Thank you too Lee for your enlightenment.
I will however, look forward to seeing you both at the champs. Glad to hear that Channelle will be there too.
Be well.....
Sailor
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