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| Rick_nz |
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Pat OMalley wrote: I should get you as my spokesman, well said again that man 
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Pat OMalley wrote: Oh and when I teach my regular class we usually wear every day clothing, only tend to wear the uniforms in the class on occasion and at seminars and special events.
Awesome this is in line with what we were talking about the other day Brother (Zak)
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Lucy is all too often performing her skills in tight trousers and heels .
Silly man Pat  ,now you have just opened the door for that Lucy/Shelly groupie to answer on this thread.   
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| mike-a |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:10 pm |
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Having seen the Rapid Response material, and being on the recieving end of the locks, it is both effective and simple. More based on gross motor skills then anything intricate (and therefore easy to screw up under pressure!)
I like Czaric's idea's about pressure testing. It's a good thing to do it in a scenario-based way.
As for pulling it off in street clothes, Pat is right about Lucy performing it in heels. The same day She also did the footwork drills in heels (which must of us had difficulty following in trainers!) About the only thing that threw Pat and Lucy off was Olisi wandering up in the middle of it and emptying a bottle on the floor. (I'm sure Clint can put that footage up...) |
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| czaric-nz |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:01 pm |
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hey ho
thanks for answering my questions on the training methods.
as for the adrenal stress (verbal-abuse) being added later,i did not mean that it was mean't for
your typical security/military individual.
what i mean't was that it's for your normal everyday civilian:especially women whom either
experienced or not experienced the effects of what
it feels like to have the heart pounding,the breathing shallow,the eyes dialated and the vision
going from funnel to tunnel.
the feeling of panic while trying to calm the situation
down.
unless the blade is produced and you are attacked,
by law in nz you can't hit someone because they
abused you verbally or you will end up in court
for assault.
as for security/military thats another subject.
thanks again guys for your comments
regards
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| Clint NZ |
| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:44 pm |
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The First rule of the Response is Escape .Dont have to pressure test that to much...
Because as we all know technically your supposed to get out of the way. |
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| Rick_nz |
| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:51 pm |
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| czaric-nz |
| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:21 pm |
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hey ho
nice to talk to you clint on the phone,can't wait
to meet you.
this is why i like this forum so much because we
can all agree to disagree on points of view.
as my mate rick-nz said to me,the only dumb
question being asked is the one not asked,don't you agree clint?.
the second rule is escape(run),the first rule is awareness
and avoidance,the third rule detection/defusion with
the final rule is either pre-emption/interception to survive & escape but it could all change in a heartbeat.
my question's to you clint are:
(1)how would you teach escape? remember it's
easy to train those that are technically skilled,
full of confidence & bravado,there mindset is combative sometimes egotistical but all in all you
do get some humble,down to earth individuals.
(2)from personal teaching experience part of escape was pressure-testing the basic technical
skills under adrenal-stress scenario's.
let's be honest if it ain't going to work for the normal,untrained individual in a controlled environment,then what are their chances on the street?.as instructors we have a duty to be honest
about reality not fantasy.
(3)i have helped in the past students from all walks
of life,maybe you have as well i don't know,but the best student's that i have trained & helped are the ones that other instructors either did not have time
for because "technically" they were slow learners and were holding other student's back or they were questioning whether the style/system will 100%
save their life if they were attacked for real after their first lesson as a student.
(4)if a student want's to escape/survive,then i advice them to take up cross-country running as a primary alternative,then it's up to them to physically do it but after that rules,tactics,techichiques have to be tested because a student whom has been attacked,or emotionally-physically abused for real knows what
real fear is all about.
they want their confidence back as well as their life.
(5)several women whom have asked me in the past how can they protect themselves from their abusive partner, the answer is escape,but the most important answer is the first rule:awareness of the abuse.
you can learn alot of things from those student's that come from that type of environment.
no disrespect clint but if you say to an abused women that "technically your supposed to get out
of the way" while she is being beatened up or stabbed by her partner then she has just gotten another "slap" in the face.
anyway mate don't take my comments personally
as i have a deep respect for rapid-arnis and all things filipino,personally the reason why i want to
train with you in rapid-arnis is because i love the
filipino arts.
but when comes to helping others in self defence,
i have my own way and my own method's.
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| Rick_nz |
| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:51 am |
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czaric-nz wrote:
as my mate rick-nz said to me,the only dumb question being asked is the one not asked,don't you agree clint?.
OMG !!!  Brother Clint I TOLD you  ,I cant get away from it (“My mate Rick said or Rick said”).hahaha .Chur-chur Zak
czaric-nz wrote:
The second rule is escape(run),the first rule is awareness
and avoidance,
Yes as you know I inform all my students the importance of not being there and to try and win all your fights –street confrontations by 200 mtr + or utilizing footwork to get into a bargaining position
czaric-nz wrote: My question's to you clint are:
(1)how would you teach escape? remember it's easy to train those that are technically skilled, full of confidence & bravado, there mindset is combative sometimes egotistical but all in all you do get some humble, down to earth individuals.
(4)if a student want's to escape/survive,then i advice them to take up cross-country running as a primary alternative,then it's up to them to physically do it but after that rules,tactics,techichiques have to be tested because a student whom has been attacked,or emotionally-physically abused for real knows what real fear is all about.
they want their confidence back as well as their life
(5)several women whom have asked me in the past how can they protect themselves from their abusive partner, the answer is escape,but the most important answer is the first rule:awareness of the abuse. you can learn alot of things from those student's that come from that type of environment
I know im not Clint ,but im going to answer ,cause I can lol  and I know you are just wanting to get other peoples perspective on the subject. Because as I say in training. The only dumb question is the question you don’t ask (tm) .Ok we shall begin
RUN no teaching required .simple!! Good for your Health and Fitness as well lol
You don’t have to be technically skilled to learn the art of escape.
A perfect example is my daughter (6) learned stranger danger at primary .She is now full aware of what to look for to a certain degree .Did they do things to test adrenal-stress scenario’s, I doubt it. they explained different scenarios and had homework regarding the subject that she brought home to mum and Dad.
Going back to your question how would you teach escape? Simple AWARENESS, give your students all the tools to be aware in a confrontation and Footwork (don’t be there).There is not only the physical aspects and the awareness, there is also teaching people to be confident and believing in themselves and there actions.A perfect example was one of my female students when she came to me she had a low self estem,she trained for about a year.I concentrated more on confidence building and awareness skills through 2 man drills.
czaric-nz wrote: (2)from personal teaching experience part of escape was pressure-testing the basic technical skills under adrenal-stress scenario's. let's be honest if it ain't going to work for the normal,untrained individual in a controlled environment,then what are their chances on the street?.as instructors we have a duty to be honest about reality not fantasy.
Agree, but only once a student has the basic awareness and the basic physical tools to do damage and the persons self confidence /self esteem are at a good level to comprehend everything. Then you can do in your face type drills .That is the last step of learning to escape.
czaric-nz wrote: (3)i have helped in the past students from all walks of life,maybe you have as well i don't know,but the best student's that i have trained & helped are the ones that other instructors either did not have time for because "technically" they were slow learners and were holding other student's back or they were questioning whether the style/system will 100% save their life if they were attacked for real after their first lesson as a student.
You’re not to far wrong there brother.
czaric-nz wrote: no disrespect clint but if you say to an abused women that "technically your supposed to get out of the way" while she is being beatened up or stabbed by her partner then she has just gotten another "slap" in the face.
"technically your supposed to get out of the way"
is a famous quote from a certain person on here ( as I pass that person a lion Red ).
Before anyone jumps down Brother Czaric’s .I think I may need to explain one thing,The way most of us feel about the FMA (passionate ectect),That is how Brother Czaric feels about self protection and FMA and the "technically your supposed to get out of the way" statement may have been misinterpetated the wrong way By brother Czaric.
Ok ,I may be wrong and put my foot in it again .so I will now technically get out of the way before I get hurt .
czaric-nz wrote: Anyway mate don't take my comments personally as i have a deep respect for rapid-arnis and all things Filipino, personally the reason why i want to train with you in rapid-arnis is because i love the filipino arts. but when comes to helping others in self defence, i have my own way and my own method's.
Haha ,I think us kiwi’s are a bit to straightforward some times ,it must be that windmilling effect happening
Im sure brother Clint does not take your comments personal, as he is aware of your passion with the combat –self protection.
Take care guys.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:57 am |
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Rick_nz wrote:
Yes training with the knifes makes you light ,heightens your reflexs ,gives you confidents in a corto-medio range.as well
Quick true story coming up lol. I had a female train with me for a wee while, had low self esteem and confidence, stated training with me and she slowly started getting it all back. Had her training with the knife drills and wham O ,confidence self esteem was back. no flinching back when it came to stick work or mano-mano drills, she was in your face with a smile.She took that confidence and self esteem and kept it into her everyday life.That was a awesome feeling for both of us.
Thought that little story might help Brother,this was taken from one of my previous posts.
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| czaric-nz |
| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:45 am |
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hey ho
thanks rick,you know me so well.
if i've offended anyone about my comments,i apologise.
i guess i need to seperate my conflict experience from my martial arts study,as rick has not mentioned i have been in the security-game for 16
odd years which includes many years of doorwork,
private security employment & the occasional bodyguard work with the last job protecting nz-idol
winner "matt saunoa" when he was in levin recently.
i have also been employed for the last four-years
apprehending "shoplifters" for the levin warehouse store but at the moment i'm taking a break from the
conflict game & learning about merchandising.
so clint if you are offended i'll buy you a beer or two mate,i was showing no disrespect to rapid-arnis
but at least you know where i'm coming from.
regards
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| Clint NZ |
| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:46 am |
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Well i did indeed get the minds working on that little ditty .
Hey Czaric ,awesome to see someone devoted .to answer your question and not get to deep , to learn to escape we need to be able to Feel.there will be a million and 1 drills ways systems out there to help sensitivty training awarenes and the such but what i think will be your cup of tea will be the Human flight or fight response .A rabbit will either run from the headlites of a car at night or get run over dazzled by the headlights .its hard to train the rabbits? wouldnt you say .its funny how life puts people in the middle of the road sometimes (domestic violence)
I must remind everyone if i may that this is a Rapid responce specific chat . Referring to the first rule of the 5 rules of the Rapid Response System which are in order
1 escape 2 control 3 lock 4 disarm 5 takedown .
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:07 am |
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| Pat OMalley |
| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:39 am |
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What Clint means by rule number 1 being Escape is not running. The Rapid Response System has been designed to help you when running is no longer an option.
It means getting out of the way of the first initial surprise attack giving you more time to get your wits and then be able to take control of the situation or to create enough gap between you and the assailant to be able to look for either and escape root or to find an equaliser.
In Rapid Response we always, always assume there is a knife in play even if we do not see it.
Imagine you are at the bar and out of the blue someone throws a punch (or what you think is a punch) at you. You manouver and counter to get your body out of the way, this is the escape. Once you have done that you now realise what is going on, you have a better chance of controlling, disarming and taking down(out) your opponent.
It is easy to say to people when faced with a knife. RUN. But what if your attacker runs after you (they can run too), when he catches you he his now pissed off and you are too tired to defend yourself, Now you have even more trouble on your hands.
I think you will need to see it in action to really understand what we mean by Escape.
The system was put together from both my expeariance in FMA and many years working on the doors of night clubs and bars and from my expeariance of street fighting as a younger foolish kid.
I like it and those that have seen it seem to think it works. Like everything it is not the perfect answer, nothing ever will be but it is a simple appraoch to real life encounters against a blade.
If you look at our Crossada footage on You Tube you will get a rough idea of what the Rapid Response System looks like.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:11 am |
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Hey Pat ,awesome reply. I personaly cant wait till we physicaly play with Clint and his crowd with everthing including the rapid response system and yes i think we will all have a better understanding,having hands on explanation as such.
Brother Czaric here is the link Pat was talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfMogpnPT5Q&mode=related&search=
We are going to touch base on some of that stuff (DP version) this weekend Brother. i'll be nice
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| mike-a |
| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:23 pm |
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We sometimes do an interesing drill for knife training. The knife guy has a piece of chalk, the big ones they do pavement art with.
You practice your stuff, and see how chalked up you get.
You can tell how hard/deep the cuts would be from the thickness nof the chalk. Works well as a lot of FMA groups use blach t-shirts.
Can be very enlightening, and is a lot less messy than using markers.
Another alternative is using a shocknife, as they look pretty cool But at US$500 a pop, they are out of the question for most folks.
(Some folks in our group have been playing with the idea of small cattle-prods! ) |
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