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| Pat OMalley |
 Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:10 pm |
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As you know there was a time we had to seperate the weapons training with the empty hand training and this resulted in the Rapid Combat System being taught in conjunction with Rapid Arnis.
Now many of you know I have put them both back together again as more and more people are finally understanding that FMA is not just about weapons, it has it's very effective empty hands fighting too, it is just that we tend to leave it to last.
That is not to say that I have done away with the Rapid Combat System, it is still their, for those of you who still wish to introduce it in to your classes.
And as some of you may know, many of our top people have faired more than well using the Rapid Combat System both in the Thai Boxing ring and the Vale Tudo / MMA arena.
So for those of you still interested in the Rapid Combat System, just let me know and I will see what I can do for you.
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| Pat OMalley |
| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:15 am |
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Any Rapid Arnis Instructors (Full Instructors Only) out there that still wish to have a seperate class for Rapid Combat, let me know and I will drop off the syllabus to you.
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| Rick_nz |
| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:50 pm |
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Hey Pat will you be showing any of your Rapid Combat system when you are here in NZ?
Cheers
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| czaric-nz |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:24 am |
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hey ho
could you please give me an example of what the
rapid combat system is all about?,is it sports orientated? is technique orientated or is it based
on spontaneous,reflexsive action under stress?.
are the techniques your typical martial arts strikes
and methods? or they based on the filipino art of kino mutai (shredding,gouging,biting) combat.
if the your rapid combat system does not include
kino mutai,do you train & teach that method of
combat to those willing to experience it's brutality
in it's rawest form.
regards
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| Rick_nz |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:42 am |
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Hey Brother,
The rapid combat system is basically the empty hands of the weapons ,I cant remember exactly, but I think the system was designed to work like the Japanese systems as in you learn empty hand techniques then you learn the weapons as when Pat was 1st teaching the FMA, a lot of people learnt better learning the hands first. This is why he structured the rapid combat system.So in saying that I am only assuming that the rapid combat system is blended in with the RA grading Curriculm.As far as I am aware (Im sure Pat will correct me).Actualy if you reread the top posts,that should give you an idea.
czaric-nz wrote: hey ho
could you please give me an example of what the
rapid combat system is all about?,is it sports orientated? is technique orientated or is it based
on spontaneous,reflexsive action under stress?.
are the techniques your typical martial arts strikes
and methods? or they based on the filipino art of kino mutai (shredding,gouging,biting) combat.
if the your rapid combat system does not include
kino mutai,do you train & teach that method of
combat to those willing to experience it's brutality
in it's rawest form.
regards
czaric-nz
I would say all the above Brother,It just comes down to the inidividule instructor on what aspects are focussed more ie grappling - stand up or just plan self protection/combat.
I will see you at training brother.
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| Pat OMalley |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:39 am |
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Could not have said it better myself, well said that man. No it certainly is not a sport but saying that my people have done well in Muay Thai and Vale Tudo events using it.
I have put the two back together again into the main RA Syllabus but still teach the Combat System as a sepreate entity too.
And like RA, they syllabus is the same but how each instructor interprets it will depend on them. Freedom of expression if you like, like all things FMA.
I have never done kino mutai, what is it?
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| Rick_nz |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:02 pm |
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| mike-a |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:21 pm |
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"Kino mutai" is a subsystem Paul Vunak (you know - Mr Laser Beam  ) started pushing a while ago. It's adding biting, gouging and pinching into grappling and corto work. I have a dvd somewhere...
I think He makes points about eskrimadors having strong grips from weapon training and therefore being able to do powerful pinches and tears on soft tissue. From what I recall it was integrated into a BJJ structure. It's not just randomly sinking your teeth into someone (He was quite specific about when to do it.) Also awareness of it was rather intelligently applied within the grappling, eg being aware of someone being able to bite you in the groin, so not using a traingle choke as a primary technique.
All in all, pretty much common sense though. (Although there is a 5 dvd set for the Americans to figure it out ! ) |
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| czaric-nz |
| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:47 pm |
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hey ho
well put mike,i do not have the "paul vunak" dvd's
but i do have the old article on the subject.
notably "richard dimitri" from canada has developed
from his senshido system the "shredder" concept.
basically using your natural reflex action to counter
with ripping,tearing,gouging instead of the normal
punch & kick method,as ingrained in the karate systems.
richard has also developed into his method of knife
defence with close quarter grappling/groundfighting
using the "shredder" concept.
there has to be a connection with the "shredder"
and the filipino "kino mutai" method especially if
you blend it with filipino-dumog.
sayoc kali international carry multi-blades when they train so if they are disarmed then they would
automatically deploy another.
imagine blending "kino mutai,shredder,dumog and
multi-blade deployment?but thats just my way of
thinking.
as you know mike in nz, gangmembers especially the streetgangs do use and carry multi-edged weapons so filipino "kino mutai" in my opnion gives
you that extra equalizer if you are unarmed and
facing multi-attackers that won't stand back and
attack you one at a time but rush and tackle you as
a group like a game of rugby.
thanks guys for your comments on the subject
and pat/lucy awesome site.
regards
YBIFMA
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| mike-a |
| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:13 am |
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The "shredder" concept has been gaining ground of late. I think I remember something in Blitz about Richard Dimitri in Oz recently...
(I first came across it from a link of Shootodog's on MAP. BTW Pat, did you catch up with Shooto and the Kali De Leon guys in the PI?)
It's a pretty natural reaction to put your hands up in a confrontation, so doing something useful with them is good.
Having done a fair ammount of a rather nasty style of jiujutsu, adding the "dirt" to things sort of became second nature. So much so it got me penalised in a judo match once  |
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| Rick_nz |
| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:03 pm |
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| mike-a |
| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:48 pm |
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Rick_nz wrote: [
Hey Brother Czarick,let me introduce you to Brother Mike .Me & Clint have decided to give brother Mike the Label "The walking encylopedia on all things FMA" 
MIke,Czaricks the man to ask on any thing on the diamondback system as he lived with Greg Henderson for a while in Nelson.
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Riki
Not so much of the encyclopeadia, eh?
I will have to catch up with Czaric though, as He has trained *way* more with Greg than I did... ( I think we only had him in Auckland twice!)
BTW Riki, I understand we're not visiting you later this month... I hope the health is ok... |
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| Rick_nz |
| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:47 pm |
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mike-a wrote: Not so much of the encyclopeadia, eh?
Mate,Your the only one in NZ that i know of that is so clued up on all things FMA
mike-a wrote: I will have to catch up with Czaric though, as He has trained *way* more with Greg than I did... ( I think we only had him in Auckland twice!)
Im sure when you get down here,you could have a good chat and play with Zak regarding the diamondback and Silat.
mike-a wrote: BTW Riki, I understand we're not visiting you later this month... I hope the health is ok...
Yup as i said womans logic  (the better half) said it would be better to organize your guys visit after the chemo.As we cant garrantee what state i will be ,when you guys get here.
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| Pat OMalley |
| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:08 pm |
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czaric-nz wrote: or they based on the filipino art of kino mutai (shredding,gouging,biting) combat.
if the your rapid combat system does not include
kino mutai,
You see the reason I actually asked what was Kino Mutai? is (and no offence here) Kino Mutai is not actually Filipino Martial Arts, well it's not from the Philippines anyway. That is why I had never heard of it.
I done a little research on it and I beleive it is something the JKD Guys from the PFS group do is it not? It may well be based on some FMA such as Dumog and Buno etc as far as I can make out from what information I can find, but I hate to say it, it is not FMA and is not practiced in the Philippines, as far as I am aware that is.
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| Pat OMalley |
| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:12 pm |
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mike-a wrote:
(I first came across it from a link of Shootodog's on MAP. BTW Pat, did you catch up with Shooto and the Kali De Leon guys in the PI?)
And lots of bloodly mozzie bites too 
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